UK League of Legends drama continues: Last Remedy face internal conflict, claim they were being pushed out by coach

UPDATE: Billy "Nutri" Wragg sent us the following statement: "We as the team of 5 with Jamie present agreed to stay with Last Remedy for the upcoming ESL split before we had knowledge that we did not have ownership of the ESL spot, as it was the right thing to do and we didn't want to screw them over."

UPDATE: A player has written and sent us an opinion piece covering their anonymous thoughts on the situation.

Original article:

Following the UK League of Legends drama the other day, a new situation has developed which is spiraling out of control.

Last Remedy, the new UK eSports organisation who brought in some very good League players (like Augustas "Toaster" Ruplys, Ashley "Rifty" Mayes and Billy "Nutri" Wragg) just before the ESL UK Premiership roster lock-ins happened a few days ago, have been caught in an internal conflict with management and their new coach Jamie "Tundra" Duthie.

Tundra is no stranger to the scene, having won various LANs in the UK in the past.

Last Remedy approached eSports News UK with information and chat logs, claiming that Tundra had been bullying, manipulating them and blackmailing them over the future of the org.

Last Remedy claim that after Tundra joined a few days ago (before the roster lock), he negotiated with org management - co-founder and CEO Grant "Greivance" Rousseau - to get the players a higher percentage of potential winnings.

85% was agreed, and Last Remedy claim that Tundra asked for another 10%, leaving the org with 5%.

eSports News UK understands that org management declined Tundra's request.

What happened next was that Last Remedy claim Tundra requested the org's current coaches - Jon "Taty" Ellis and James "Mac" MacCormack - leave. After a chat between Grant and the coaches, Grant eventually let them go.

After this, eSports News UK understands some members of the team were growing disillusioned of Last Remedy's abilities to secure sponsors, and Tundra suggested to management that they should sell their spot to another org, who would also be able to pay for LAN accommodation and travel.

Update: Tundra says the above two paragraphs aren't true and has denied he made the request for 10% more.

eSports News UK understands that some Last Remedy staff may have implied to management that if Last Remedy didn't get a new org on board or sponsors/a guarantee of income, the players would drop out anyway and play by themselves - as they apparently owned the Premiership spot.

eSports News UK understands a similar in-fighting situation also took place at both ManaLight and Exertus during the previous split.

Going back to Last Remedy, Grant, again agreed to have a look around for orgs and sponsors, and spoke to at least one other org about selling Last Remedy to them. But no such deal has yet been struck.

In the meantime, Last Remedy promised their team that management will pay for LAN at the very least.

While Grant claims that Tundra and Toaster had manipulated the rest of the team (saying Toaster kicked out previous support Elmtanu to get Nutri in - without letting the org know, and that Toaster had been talking to Tundra 'for weeks'), Last Remedy ultimately met their demands. And it's clear that they continued to meet their demands until they grew uncomfortable with how the situation was developing.

As there are no contracts with Last Remedy, all of these promises made by management and staff are ultimately worthless. 

During the match between Last Remedy and Perilous this evening, Last Remedy management contacted eSports News UK with their side of the story. Following the match, we reached out to Tundra and some of the other players to get both sides.

According to chat logs sent to us by both Grant and Tundra, there was some confusion between the two of them as to who actually owned Last Remedy's ESL UK Premiership slot. Last Remedy claim Tundra was saying it's the players.

ENUK checked the ESL UK rulebook and reached out to ESL to find out for ourselves. The rules are that if an org is a legal entity, it owns the spot. If it's not a legal entity, a person on the org can receive a licence to say they claim the spot. That licence belongs to co-owner Louis 'Sméagol' Green.

During the time we've spent researching and writing this article, the situation has sort of been resolved. But - much to the disdain of all parties we've spoken to - the story still needs to be told.

Both former coaches - Jon "Taty" Ellis and James "Mac" MacCormack - have rejoined the org. And ENUK was told by Last Remedy management that Tundra 'now has no power - he is simply just a coach'. Tundra has weighed in and says he never had power at any point, just that he joined because the players asked him to.

It's sad to tell this story, because eSports News UK had a pair of upset org owners initially approach us feeling they were getting immorally kicked out by their own staff, but on the flipside, a coach and players who were pushing for more from them. eSports News UK understands that some of the team may have felt management were not up to scratch to lead the team, but equally, Last Remedy brought the roster together in the first place.

We've posted the initial chat logs that were shared with us below so you can decide for yourself who is in the wrong, the right and why - in its current state - UK competitive League of Legends is still not regarded as highly as it could be.

TL;DR

UK LoL org claims coach bullies org, org meets demands/makes promises, org doesn't like where this is going, demands increase, org panic and change their mind and try to stop the crazy situation it's becoming, org goes public with chat logs.

 

The chat logs in full

21:39] Greivance: as a quick heads up, lets chat tomrorow. Im gonna be in bed before this finishes xd

[21:39] Tundra: ok

whats up though

should the players be looking to speak to other orgs

[21:40] Greivance: no no

im gonna lead it.

i mean....if you're willing to chat quck now?

i can explain?

whilst game is on in background

[21:41] Tundra: er

is typing ok?

[21:41] Greivance: ok, on here

[21:41] Tundra: sure fire away

[21:41] Greivance: the same points stand, i wanna get an org in to back up the financials the team want. I could spend the next month doing my best to get it...and maybe i could

but rather than fail, i'd rather be safe now and get someone in

so i would like to lead it. I have an offer coming in tonight/tomorrow from the team i spoke about

i wanted to ask for contacts of the orgs you said had approached you...to lead this myself

to get the best options for the team

and then will discuss all the different offers with the players and you

to see which you go with

thats the idea

[21:43] Tundra: but no disrespect but why would you/louis need to be involved?

if its a case of switching orgs surely its just on the players

[21:43] Greivance: because its what im good at......

let me negotiate the best deal and the best options

[21:43] Tundra: But youre brand new to orgs

[21:44] Greivance: but i know how to run a business and how to negotiate deals

[21:44] Tundra: Just because you have a business degree doesnt mean youd be better at negotiating a deal than people with 5 years in esports

but we wouldnt need somebody who knows how to run a business

because wed be joining an existing org

[21:44] Greivance: dude...you're totally looking at it wrong

i dont have to do this...and im giving up everything to get you the best offers and work for the players

[21:44] Tundra: But what if the org already has plenty of staff

[21:45] Greivance: you think you dont need someone leading....but i'd somewhat disagree. Let me do what i do best...negotiate with people, negotiate with teams

[21:45] Tundra: The orgs will have somebody leading though

[21:45] Greivance: well then i guess i step away

[21:45] Tundra: its not like orgs dont have owners/managers

[21:45] Greivance: true

[21:45] Tundra: all due respect it just seems like the project moved a bit to fast for you

[21:45] Greivance: but i believe once i show the orgs what i've done and where we sit...theyll want me on too

nah man....i knew it would be fast

[21:45] Tundra: and that youre trying to tag along with the more advanced roster now knowing that the org cant sustain such a team

[21:45] Greivance: im going with it

[21:46] Tundra: like I understand how much work youve put into this

[21:46] Greivance: i think orgs would want me there seeing as i have managed to get these players and yourself on

[21:46] Tundra: of course

[21:46] Greivance: utlimately in a couple months

[21:46] Tundra: but that should be seperate to the roster

[21:46] Greivance: we've gone to almost winning it

[21:46] Tundra: yes but thats because of toaster

toaster brought me rifty nutri and kept broxah

[21:46] Greivance: woah slow down hang on

firstly, i got toaster

secondly, toaster asked us to get rifty and we did that

the only one he fully got was nutri

you werent even here at this point?.....

and i kept broxah...

[21:47] Tundra: Ive been speaking to them for weeks

[21:47] Greivance: i was talking to him for an hour

ahh ok...

[21:47] Tundra: toaster had to convince him in pm

[21:47] Greivance: its all been planned

[21:47] Tundra: all been planned xd?

[21:47] Greivance: well look. lemme give you an example of this offer coming in

[21:48] Tundra: [21:47] Greivance: its all been planned

excuse me

[21:48] Greivance: this offer coming in provide the backing you guys want. As part of it, louis is stepping away...and I move to a 'director' role with the,

them(

where my focus is on the org as a whole, they may make me manager of team but i think they're doing it themselves

so....thats an example...i am basically stepping away from you guys

i believe thats what i can do with other offers

but if other offers come in which are better for the team

[21:49] Tundra: well theres no rush

after we win tonight

[21:49] Greivance: that invlove me stepping away

[21:49] Tundra: we have a week

[21:49] Greivance: you have it in writing

i will step away

[21:49] Tundra: so lets schedule it meet this weekend

you take that time to arrange as many offers you can

and i will inform the players and they will look themselves

[21:49] Greivance: ok

[21:49] Tundra: come the weekend

we can see what offers you bring to the table

[21:49] Greivance: as part of that, can you give me the names involved

[21:49] Tundra: we never had an org

but its always a good negotiation thing to say

[21:49] Greivance: you said you had offers?

wooooow

dude....

come on

thats....come on dude...

[21:50] Tundra: ?

like I already said

the players could literally leave the name now and play as LF ORG

[21:50] Greivance: you said you had offers?

beside the point

i've said what im willing to do

i can offer anymore

i am asking to stay on to a point to see this all through as i believe i have a lot to offer the team

or an org

not as manager perhaps...but perhaps with them at a higher point

so yeah....

i would like to lead the search for offers until the weekend and we talk then

after that....thats when you get players to looka

[21:51] Tundra: sure thing

thats fair enough

[21:51] Greivance: man....you arent making this easy dude

[21:52] Tundra: Its business

[21:52] Greivance: i thought there was morals and honesty in this kind of business....guess not

[21:53] Tundra: It goes both ways

if you dont prove the legitimacy of your offers

why would we

for all you knew i had an NDA on those offers

Of course there is

morals and honestly

[21:54] Greivance: you have given me less that 24 hours since the roster came up before saying all this.

[21:54] Tundra: Look

this is a top 2 UK team

[21:54] Greivance: yep

[21:55] Tundra: it doesnt belong with an org thats a month old with no sponsors

regardless of who runs it and nice they are

you got A class players into the team

[21:55] Greivance: yes...I got

[21:55] Tundra: without A class backing

how can you expect to keep them

[21:56] Greivance: but thats why im offering to let everything go on my part

to allow backing to come in

but now you're saying on top, why bother with me and louis

thats what hurts....im giving up everything to allow this backing to come in and make the team more stable

and now you want me and louis out....thats whats upsetting

you get me?

[21:57] Tundra: No if the org wants you thats fine

but you dont have a right to attach yourself into the roster offer

[21:57] Greivance: have i not earnt anything.....do i not deserve anything

.....

like...literally nothing...

[21:58] Tundra: Of course you do

[21:58] Greivance: so what do i get then?

[21:58] Tundra: Last Remedy

you rebuild it with a roster that suits the org

[21:59] Greivance: but no spot in prem.....no players...no nothing

a name...i get a name

and you sit there....having offically been in the team for just a few days

you deserve to take the team forward

man...im literally in tears

thats so messed up dude

do you have no morals?

like...none?

?

[22:01] Tundra: the fact that youre reacting this emotionally to a clear business decision despite coming from a business degree background is a bit odd?

like there are no morals or feelings involved

[22:01] Greivance: i have put everything into this for 3 months

[22:01] Tundra: I have known you 2 days and the vast majority of the roster have spoken to you once

yes but not with us

[22:01] Greivance: 16 hours a day

[22:01] Tundra: yes and thats great

[22:01] Greivance: it would be odd if i wasnt emotional about it..

[22:01] Tundra: and its why last remedy will do well under you

but you werent ready for a team like this

[22:01] Greivance: why do you think that?

thats what i dont get

why dont you think that

i've been given no chance

in 48 hours.....you've decided i aint ready

[22:02] Tundra: because you have no sponsors nor the decision making to match a team of this calibre

[22:02] Greivance: right. lemme answer that then non emotionally

[22:02] Tundra: The second you didnt remove staff or listen to players

I dont want to speak in voice

I have a game to win

im listening to coms

[22:03] Greivance: let me confirm it all

please

and im done

i dont like typing

[22:03] Tundra: what is there to confirm grant

[22:03] Greivance: because you have no sponsors nor the decision making to match a team of this calibre

going back to that

[22:03] Tundra: currently you dont

[22:03] Greivance: part 1...sponsors

[22:03] Tundra: whether or not you will in the future

[22:03] Greivance: i made the team always

aware that when my job started, and i moved away from day to day

that was when the sponsor hunt would begin

if i failed

i had two options

both of which go on paper

part 2...decisions

i dont think my decisions could be any more right

players wanted more money

i said yes

you wanted more money

i said yes

in 24 hours

ive said i will give up my stake in org 100% to a team backing

for the sake of the players

most wouldnt do that...

what 'high claibre' decision am i incapable of according to you?

[22:05] Tundra: Removing staff that the team dont want due to emotional attachment

[22:05] Greivance: but i did remove them 3 hours later?

like....literally removed them

so how did i do wrong?

[22:06] Tundra: u said they stepped back

not removed

[22:06] Greivance: i messaged you saying they'd gone one facebook!

that morning

[22:09] : well?

[22:09] Tundra: yes u said theyd left

not been removed

[22:09] Greivance: oh same thing dude

they've gone

[22:09] Tundra: no its not

[22:09] Greivance: you want me to make it official?

[22:09] Tundra: removing somebody and them leaving on their own accord is not the same

regardless

please do not move me on ts again

[22:10] Greivance: im not?

[22:10] Tundra: players got really distracted

in the middle of a teamfight

[22:10] Greivance: my bad

ok so i had some attachment to them...but they left after i said what you'd said

the same thing happened

[22:11] Tundra: Please leave this till after the games

its so distracting

[22:11] Greivance: ffs

dude come on...

[22:13] : you play a good game Jamie...you've played it very well

well done

[22:14] Tundra: I havent done anything

[22:14] Greivance: lol

[22:14] Tundra: if the players dont want a coach

im out of a job

[22:14] Greivance: come on man....dont sit there and deny it

you've played us very well

i guess you win really...well played.

in a months time after LAN, you will sit with the team...and we will sit with nothing but a name...yay

[22:15] Tundra: Grant

relax

nothing is even decided

and I am not to the one to decide

there was no game being played

Toaster offered me a spot as coach I took it

[22:16] Greivance: he offered you a spot...not the org. But they have control. Great...

[22:16] Tundra: yes

the players control the support staff

[22:16] Greivance: look

[22:16] Tundra: i work for the players

thats why I get paid from their prize money

[22:16] Greivance: i have no qualms with players decisions

what i find unfair

is you feel after all this, i dont deserve to be the one looking for a new org for the team

you think the players no best...you havent given me that chance

and you've ultimately said that i will have to step away if its the option

[22:17] Tundra: ofc they know best

the players have been in the scene and esports

for 5 years

youve been in it for a month?

unless im wrong

[22:17] Greivance: and they're still sitting in the UK scene with no money and no wages!!!!!!!!

in less than couple months

i've got them the opportunity to be in challenger as a team as a whole

and the offers coming in this week to allow for it to continue

and you say i dont know best?

[22:19] Tundra: [22:18] Greivance: and they're still sitting in the UK scene with no money and no wages!!!!!!!!

Toaster is in LCS

[22:19] Greivance: aside from toaster...

[22:19] Tundra: Broxah was CS

Nutri was UOL

?

[22:19] Greivance: Was

Was

Was

[22:19] Tundra: christ

please stop im trying to do draft and prep

leave it till after

[22:19] Greivance: whatever

you win dude

well done

[22:28] Greivance: To confirm...come weekend, i will have an offer from a takeover to show you guys which will include an offer on paper for iseriers

[22:28] Tundra: And thats great and what we agreed

before you got extremely emotional

please calm down

[22:28] Greivance: you do realise telling someone to calm down never works? ;P

but i am calm

 

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